RoostCast 66: Screaming in the Cabin

In this episode, Ryan is joined by Corey Griswold and Kate of The Willful Caboose. They talk about Corey’s impending departure for Virginia and his decision to go. It’s a podcast about Buffalo, family and making important life decisions.

Some links you may find helpful as you listen along:

They Built It, But the MLB Never Came — by Mark Byrnes, The Atlantic Cities

Back in business — The Economist

TB Podcast- One Thing: Hustle — Trending Buffalo

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Musical selections for this episode:

I Am Trying to Break Your Heart” — JC Brooks and the Uptown Sound (Thanks, Kevin)

Thunder Road” — Bruce Springsteen


  1. Mike

    From someone who lived there, Corey will soon discover that Northern Virginia is an overcrowded cultural wasteland. One of the happiest days of the last five years was the day I left and moved here. I wish him well and hope he feels differently. I’ve heard family changes you and since I don’t have one yet, my perception might have been different. But for now, it was a very easy decision to make.

  2. Matt

    Interesting podcast. I left Buffalo for college in Indiana almost ten years ago. I didn’t know it then, but that set in motion my eventual departure after graduation (I ended up in Madison, Wisconsin). I never had the big “I’m leaving moment.” It just happened and I might have stayed if opportunities existed, but they just didn’t.

    All that said, the conversation about provincialism struck home for me. Coming back home, I’m often struck by how we sometimes grasp onto things that “make us special” that aren’t actually unique to Buffalo. I once had someone ask my now wife whether we have hot dogs in Wisconsin (a state that loves its brats and sausages) – as if no other city could make a hot dog (I do love a Sahlen’s dog of course…).

    All that said, it’s still home and such. Why else do I listen to podcasts about Buffalo, from 12 hours away.

  3. Mike

    Now having listened to the podcast – The reason that Corey’s employers “care” about him is that there’s a desperate shortage of teachers in Loudoun County because the system is overburdened because they’re pretty terrible at planning for the influx of people. So they’re probably pretty jazzed about having smaller class sizes because they’re pretty unmanageably huge right now. In my experience, people in NOVA don’t really care about you per se. They care about numbers. And there are nice people there but in the end, the schools are kind of the same sort of political bureaucracy of the Buffalo Public Schools, except probably more media savvy.
    But I do appreciate his sentiment (and Chick Fil A is awesome) that it’s awesome to live in a place where there are problems and people want you to help solve them as opposed to Buffalo which complains about its problems but doesn’t seem to want to work hard to solve them. I think the most important thing is to find a place that you really like and to live there.
    Growing up in Buffalo, I think I disliked it more than I realized at the time. It just never felt like a good fit for my personality and the things that I really valued (although as Kate said, and I can testify to, going to the Philharmonic concerts and later getting to play at Kleinhans was incredibly inspiring). In high school I started looking into other places to live and kind of started to research the city where I presently live. I decided that I wanted to live there. Of course, I had never been there, so it was a stupid idea right?
    I went off to college in a city that I hated. It’s a city that you would think someone from Buffalo would be able to relate to, but because it had a lot of the same traits and didn’t have the benefit of being home, I hated it. And it’s a city that is often talked about as being on the rise, or experiencing a renaissance that a lot of other people settled in permanently. And good for them, but not for me. My attitude was that Buffalo was far better.
    Then it was off to DC, and I liked DC but it’s missing the homey-ness of Buffalo. That’s something Corey brought up that I don’t think he was right on – that in any city, they kind of pull for each other etc. etc. DC just isn’t like that. So much of the population is completely transient – nobody really stays there, and everyone is from someplace else. So nobody is loyal to the greater whole unless maybe the Nats or the Caps are doing something, then mild interest might be piqued. I go both ways on having that civic familiarity because while I like having people kind of generally care about my welfare, I feel like part of the reason I wanted to leave was how small a town it was and how suffocating I felt that was. The fact that I could tell a complete stranger my last name and they would be able to recite my family history was terrifying to me, but other people like that feeling.
    I’m lucky enough to have a job I can do anywhere and as indicated before, I was miserable in NOVA. Not enough to places to hang out or just do basic things like go to the grocery store without driving half an hour. Cultural happenings within a short distance? Forget it – you’ll have to drive to DC which is like an hour. I could go on, but this is already long enough.
    I moved to the city that I had researched in high school and haven’t looked back. I love it here. I feel lucky that I was able to do this because I think a lot of people never really find a place that they love. Most people stay at home or move to a livable place near work. I’ve kind of taken things the opposite way. I think a lot of people who move back to Buffalo just live in places they hate and move back because they can’t think of anything else better. And Uncle Tony can get them a job doing something they can make a modest living at (I don’t have an Uncle Tony). For a lot of people that’s enough. But I agree that if you feel that isn’t enough, a lot of people in Buffalo think there’s something wrong with you, or that you’re a bad person or something.

  4. Anthony

    Listening to this podcast evoked a number of emotions in me, one of which was anger not at any person but at a place. A little background, I was born and raised in the Falls and despite all of its flaws consider it the greatest place on earth. In the summer of 2006 my future wife and I, who were in a quasi long-distance (NF to Syracuse) relationship, left two good jobs in W&CNY for DC. We thought it would be a good idea to start our life together in a place neither of us called home.

    DC is a place that no one calls home. We too lived in NOVA and we really wanted to embrace our new “home.” Unfortunately, it is a place that constantly spits in your face. I hated it almost from the start. People are not friendly, you never bump into a familiar face at the store, bar or restaurant, it is very sterile.

    After three miserable years in NOVA and way too many trips home we moved back in 2009 and couldn’t be happier.

    My wife moves have always been career neutral and while I had to take a step back career wise it was worth it to love my 5-9 and weekends as opposed to my 9-5.